Comments on: THE DIRHAM IN MY HANDBAG • by Joan http://www.everydaypoets.com/the-dirham-in-my-handbag-by-joan/ Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:05:30 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: kirsty http://www.everydaypoets.com/the-dirham-in-my-handbag-by-joan/comment-page-1/#comment-4546 kirsty Mon, 21 Dec 2009 00:17:02 +0000 http://www.everydaypoets.com/the-dirham-in-my-handbag-by-joan/#comment-4546 This poem is fabulous . Makes me think of my handbag and being in Dubai! But am annoyed how some people have to be so anal re commemnts!!! Joan has been published cos she deserves to be published and is talented .. Me thinks Those who do protest have a case of the green eyed monster!!! This poem is fabulous . Makes me think of my handbag and being in Dubai!
But am annoyed how some people have to be so anal re commemnts!!! Joan has been published cos she deserves to be published and is talented .. Me thinks
Those who do protest have a case of the green eyed monster!!!

]]> By: Roberta SchulbergGoro http://www.everydaypoets.com/the-dirham-in-my-handbag-by-joan/comment-page-1/#comment-2908 Roberta SchulbergGoro Fri, 03 Jul 2009 13:24:10 +0000 http://www.everydaypoets.com/the-dirham-in-my-handbag-by-joan/#comment-2908 I think EDP's policy regarding acceptance of previously unpublished poetry only is a good one. There are many other poetry magazines which follow somewhat different guidelines provided there is no legal conflict with the original publisher. The vitality of this site is unusual and I hope it remains so. Its contemporariness, its openness to the new, makes it extroadinarily, excitingly what it is. I think EDP’s policy regarding acceptance of previously unpublished poetry only is a good one. There are many other poetry magazines which follow somewhat different guidelines provided there is no legal conflict with the original publisher. The vitality of this site is unusual and I hope it remains so. Its contemporariness, its openness to the new, makes it extroadinarily, excitingly what it is.

]]> By: Joan http://www.everydaypoets.com/the-dirham-in-my-handbag-by-joan/comment-page-1/#comment-2900 Joan Thu, 02 Jul 2009 21:08:26 +0000 http://www.everydaypoets.com/the-dirham-in-my-handbag-by-joan/#comment-2900 Thank you, Helen. Thank you, Helen.

]]> By: Helen Hudspith http://www.everydaypoets.com/the-dirham-in-my-handbag-by-joan/comment-page-1/#comment-2899 Helen Hudspith Thu, 02 Jul 2009 20:21:20 +0000 http://www.everydaypoets.com/the-dirham-in-my-handbag-by-joan/#comment-2899 Could someone explain to me WHY EDP has this rule anyway? Writewords is mainly a workshopping site, where writers post work in order to get crit and feedback, thus making their work better. They do not post on WW, (by enlarge), to get publicity or recognition - they certainly don't make any money. Why therefore, can work produced as a result of this, not be accepted here once it is ready to be showcased? Why do sites insist on this exclusivity, which seems to kill creativity? I have poems that were published in obscure mags ages ago. Yet because of a rule such as this, they are now 'dead poems' I cannot send them anywhere else, let a new audience enjoy them, just because as an emerging writer, I got them published in a now defunct mag. It makes no sense to me at all. It is a legal thing? I must admit I do not understand about publishing rights etc, so it may be. It just seems silly that work can only be seen once and then has to effectively 'die' The chances of someone seeing a piece twice are minute...and if it is a great piece of work, surely it should be published more than once, to let others have the joy of seeing it? This is not a criticism of EDP, I would just like some rationale behind this policy, if possible. Oh, and I have communicated and shared creativity with Joan on MANY occassions - I know she would NEVER seek to flout submission guidelines on purpose. Could someone explain to me WHY EDP has this rule anyway?
Writewords is mainly a workshopping site, where writers post work in order to get crit and feedback, thus making their work better. They do not post on WW, (by enlarge), to get publicity or recognition – they certainly don’t make any money. Why therefore, can work produced as a result of this, not be accepted here once it is ready to be showcased?
Why do sites insist on this exclusivity, which seems to kill creativity?
I have poems that were published in obscure mags ages ago. Yet because of a rule such as this, they are now ‘dead poems’ I cannot send them anywhere else, let a new audience enjoy them, just because as an emerging writer, I got them published in a now defunct mag. It makes no sense to me at all.
It is a legal thing? I must admit I do not understand about publishing rights etc, so it may be.

It just seems silly that work can only be seen once and then has to effectively ‘die’ The chances of someone seeing a piece twice are minute…and if it is a great piece of work, surely it should be published more than once, to let others have the joy of seeing it?

This is not a criticism of EDP, I would just like some rationale behind this policy, if possible.
Oh, and I have communicated and shared creativity with Joan on MANY occassions – I know she would NEVER seek to
flout submission guidelines on purpose.

]]> By: Oonah V Joslin http://www.everydaypoets.com/the-dirham-in-my-handbag-by-joan/comment-page-1/#comment-2891 Oonah V Joslin Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:29:12 +0000 http://www.everydaypoets.com/the-dirham-in-my-handbag-by-joan/#comment-2891 Well, I'll still await Jordan's ruling on this, Stephen. I have caught a few poems before by googling. I guess this one slipped the net because I already knew where it came from and had every expectation that it was not therefore open to public view. Thank you for your generosity of spirit. Well, I’ll still await Jordan’s ruling on this, Stephen. I have caught a few poems before by googling. I guess this one slipped the net because I already knew where it came from and had every expectation that it was not therefore open to public view.

Thank you for your generosity of spirit.

]]> By: Stephen Joseph http://www.everydaypoets.com/the-dirham-in-my-handbag-by-joan/comment-page-1/#comment-2889 Stephen Joseph Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:14:23 +0000 http://www.everydaypoets.com/the-dirham-in-my-handbag-by-joan/#comment-2889 Under the circumstances, and in light of the explanation given by Oonah, I believe that EDP should allow an exception in this case and allow Joan's poem to remain, and that this poem should NOT be withdrawn. Anyone who has submitted poems knows how difficult it is to get a poem published. All of us struggling poets are used to the 98% rejection rates. So I say that EDP should make an exception and permit Joan's poem to stay. I suggest to EDP to Google every accepted poem and poet to prevent this type of situation in the future. Under the circumstances, and in light of the explanation given by Oonah, I believe that EDP should allow an exception in this case and allow Joan’s poem to remain, and that this poem should NOT be withdrawn. Anyone who has submitted poems knows how difficult it is to get a poem published. All of us struggling poets are used to the 98% rejection rates. So I say that EDP should make an exception and permit Joan’s poem to stay. I suggest to EDP to Google every accepted poem and poet to prevent this type of situation in the future.

]]> By: Joan http://www.everydaypoets.com/the-dirham-in-my-handbag-by-joan/comment-page-1/#comment-2887 Joan Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:35:00 +0000 http://www.everydaypoets.com/the-dirham-in-my-handbag-by-joan/#comment-2887 No - it was actually open for anybody to read originally, as I mistakenly failed to check the correct button when I posted it on Writewords. It is now not available except for members to view. Many apologies for the error. No – it was actually open for anybody to read originally, as I mistakenly failed to check the correct button when I posted it on Writewords. It is now not available except for members to view. Many apologies for the error.

]]> By: Oonah V Joslin http://www.everydaypoets.com/the-dirham-in-my-handbag-by-joan/comment-page-1/#comment-2886 Oonah V Joslin Thu, 02 Jul 2009 11:25:06 +0000 http://www.everydaypoets.com/the-dirham-in-my-handbag-by-joan/#comment-2886 Yes this piece appeared in Writewords BUT and this is a big BUT, if you go to Stephen's link, you will come up with this: Sorry this piece is not available. If this is your work please ensure you are logged in. Click here to return to writewords. As a member of writewords had seen this piece before. You might all be interested to know that every single piece of work I have in EDF has been a product of my membership of that Writer's Community. Writewords is a closed site. Therefore this poem was not previously published, as far as we were concerned. The oversight that occurred, not pressing the 'members only' button, has now been corrected. The poem will now be <em>ineligible for inclusion in our anthology</em> as a result of this. I am taking advice form our Managing Director in this matter, and the poem may well be withdrawn. As you see we have had a full apology from Joan, who is quite willing to abide by our final decision in this matter. Yes this piece appeared in Writewords BUT and this is a big BUT, if you go to Stephen’s link, you will come up with this:
Sorry this piece is not available. If this is your work please ensure you are logged in. Click here to return to writewords.
As a member of writewords had seen this piece before. You might all be interested to know that every single piece of work I have in EDF has been a product of my membership of that Writer’s Community. Writewords is a closed site. Therefore this poem was not previously published, as far as we were concerned. The oversight that occurred, not pressing the ‘members only’ button, has now been corrected. The poem will now be ineligible for inclusion in our anthology as a result of this. I am taking advice form our Managing Director in this matter, and the poem may well be withdrawn.

As you see we have had a full apology from Joan, who is quite willing to abide by our final decision in this matter.

]]> By: Stephen Joseph http://www.everydaypoets.com/the-dirham-in-my-handbag-by-joan/comment-page-1/#comment-2883 Stephen Joseph Thu, 02 Jul 2009 07:19:31 +0000 http://www.everydaypoets.com/the-dirham-in-my-handbag-by-joan/#comment-2883 The submission rules clearly state, "It ought to go without saying that any poem submitted to Every Day Poets must be your own unpublished original creation. If you publish a poem on a blog, even your own personal blog, it is considered published and therefore inappropriate for our market." If Everyday Poets makes an exception and allows publication of this poem in your case, then it's ok, otherwise, the appropriate thing to do is to withdraw it. The submission rules clearly state, “It ought to go without saying that any poem submitted to Every Day Poets must be your own unpublished original creation. If you publish a poem on a blog, even your own personal blog, it is considered published and therefore inappropriate for our market.” If Everyday Poets makes an exception and allows publication of this poem in your case, then it’s ok, otherwise, the appropriate thing to do is to withdraw it.

]]> By: Joan http://www.everydaypoets.com/the-dirham-in-my-handbag-by-joan/comment-page-1/#comment-2880 Joan Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:57:00 +0000 http://www.everydaypoets.com/the-dirham-in-my-handbag-by-joan/#comment-2880 Strictly speaking, if it breaks the rules of submission, it should be deleted, I would have thought. Strictly speaking, if it breaks the rules of submission, it should be deleted, I would have thought.

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